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Replied to: The Choice
There has yet to be any set rules pertaining to cohabitation- I remember reading from the Law Society a few years ago that although it has been attempted, since 2002, there has been very nominal significance in creating a set structure-perhaps that is why cohabitation may seem appealing, because there are no true restrictions, as opposed to "being wed." Simultaneously, in a legal outlook, I only see cohabitation as adverse. Taking into account the difficulties that would exist in joint loans and pensions..even considering what would happen post-breakup, it just seems that this yield more complications than anything else. In the case of a break-up, extrication of property; there would be no proof of ownership, maintenance of costs, division of expenses..etc. I feel like such agreements exist because of a couples inability to figure it out on their own. Of course, if you consider what is bringing the two individuals together, regardless of the title "marriage" or "cohabitation," I guess what should only matter is the fact that the two are in love..
Posted on: 12-21-2007, 6:10 AM
Replied to: What It Is
'I don't know if iqbalicarus has felt such love..'
What a feeble attempt at churlishness;
What you're describing isn't complex; it is burlesque, a farce on humanity. The old Monastic Poets had one thing right: they apprehended Christian love through the tropes of 'a disease of the mind.' Don't you see how ludicrous the effusion, 'I love thee,' is? You don't even have access to a 'Thou'; all that you apprehend is a fucking simulacrum! You're lorded over by a Golem (and I wonder what its name is: Meth or Aemeth?)
If your Beloved is an Eidolon, then what, precisely, is the World? To allow yourself to be subsumed under the Negative Presence of another consciousness is to abjure the world that both of you inhabit. What you call 'Love' is preternaturally Evil, a hysterical farrago, a parody of Love as it should be: the Love 'of the rose for the nightingale, for the chevalier who never comes, of the serf for the chatelaine, of Rudolf for the Lady of Tripoli'. The Love, in short, of Absence.
Authentic relationships, amongst authentic people (as distinct from automatons) do not involve Transcendence of any kind: they are immanent, 'Pure Being;' they occur as interlocutions and copulations, not as Sighs.
Your love, by the way, remains an Angelic Love: unsexed, androgynous, etiolated.
Posted on: 12-20-2007, 11:06 PM
What a feeble attempt at churlishness;
What you're describing isn't complex; it is burlesque, a farce on humanity. The old Monastic Poets had one thing right: they apprehended Christian love through the tropes of 'a disease of the mind.' Don't you see how ludicrous the effusion, 'I love thee,' is? You don't even have access to a 'Thou'; all that you apprehend is a fucking simulacrum! You're lorded over by a Golem (and I wonder what its name is: Meth or Aemeth?)
If your Beloved is an Eidolon, then what, precisely, is the World? To allow yourself to be subsumed under the Negative Presence of another consciousness is to abjure the world that both of you inhabit. What you call 'Love' is preternaturally Evil, a hysterical farrago, a parody of Love as it should be: the Love 'of the rose for the nightingale, for the chevalier who never comes, of the serf for the chatelaine, of Rudolf for the Lady of Tripoli'. The Love, in short, of Absence.
Authentic relationships, amongst authentic people (as distinct from automatons) do not involve Transcendence of any kind: they are immanent, 'Pure Being;' they occur as interlocutions and copulations, not as Sighs.
Your love, by the way, remains an Angelic Love: unsexed, androgynous, etiolated.
Maybe I have a fear of commitment, but what does marriage really say about a couple? That we can spend fricktons of money on one day and then get some tax breaks? Why can't we all be like Johnny Depp, living with his unmarried wife (who he still loves) in pretty lavish villa?
Posted on: 12-18-2007, 11:43 PM , Last edited: 12-18-2007, 11:41 PM
Replied to: Re: What It Is
Haha--it was only a feeble attempt because I held back my friend. How can you be the judge of what is a farce on humanity? Because you've read some literature? Although you call my attempt feeble, you make no attempt to counter my claim on whether you've personally ever felt love--
Although I did enjoy your verbose bad-mouthing, I feel that we are at crossroads. You are a strong believer in this Love of Absence (because of your experience reading) and you have heard my views. So I feel that this argument (on love in a marriage vs. cohabitation debate) has run its course.
Posted on: 12-21-2007, 8:27 AM , Last edited: 12-21-2007, 10:05 AM
Although I did enjoy your verbose bad-mouthing, I feel that we are at crossroads. You are a strong believer in this Love of Absence (because of your experience reading) and you have heard my views. So I feel that this argument (on love in a marriage vs. cohabitation debate) has run its course.
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Well--quite the post from iqbalicarus--replete with allusions galore and some interesting perspective. I feel that you do not understand me completely ("I don't know what, precisely, Batman could mean") but you appear to pass judgment on my perspective--calling it "Angelic Love"--so I'll try to clarify--
Firstly, I agree that there is little difference between love and lust--they are intertwined. I do not attempt to make that distinction in the higher understanding of love--it is a combination of the carnal and spiritual. So this "higher understanding of love" is not superior to Shakespeare's fleshy version--if anything it encompasses it.
The love which I describe is an all-encompassing and tacit part of human nature. I don't know if iqbalicarus has felt such love--that bond of unspoken care, romance, passion, and lechery for a single individual--that it pains you to have a moment without their presence. Maybe it is this "Beloved outside of Consciousness" of which you speak--
Developing this sort of bond is what keeps the relationship as you say "interesting". It is this bond that makes me believe that there is a noted subtlety between marriage and cohabitation, between wanting security and already having it. Maybe I am idealistic in my interpretation--maybe I am just a mammal governed by my phallus--but humanity to me is the juxtaposition of the mammal and the mind it comes with--capable of a higher understanding of love.
Posted on: 12-20-2007, 10:22 PM , Last edited: 12-20-2007, 10:24 PM
Firstly, I agree that there is little difference between love and lust--they are intertwined. I do not attempt to make that distinction in the higher understanding of love--it is a combination of the carnal and spiritual. So this "higher understanding of love" is not superior to Shakespeare's fleshy version--if anything it encompasses it.
The love which I describe is an all-encompassing and tacit part of human nature. I don't know if iqbalicarus has felt such love--that bond of unspoken care, romance, passion, and lechery for a single individual--that it pains you to have a moment without their presence. Maybe it is this "Beloved outside of Consciousness" of which you speak--
Developing this sort of bond is what keeps the relationship as you say "interesting". It is this bond that makes me believe that there is a noted subtlety between marriage and cohabitation, between wanting security and already having it. Maybe I am idealistic in my interpretation--maybe I am just a mammal governed by my phallus--but humanity to me is the juxtaposition of the mammal and the mind it comes with--capable of a higher understanding of love.
Replied to: The Choice
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With a name like Batman, I am surprised you wouldn't want to bring a new girl back to your cave every night!
Posted on: 12-19-2007, 2:57 PM




